lol lamer guide by a lamer rouge
seriously, nice detail
I've played with Carnifex for about a year, so our playstyles are quite similar. I vouch for his skill; he is as good as you get
for a private server. I will add a bit to his guide that he hasn't gotten to.
Talents
Stunlock
Diminishing Returns
And the two simplest rogue fights: Shadow Priest and Rogue. I'll explain how to increase your chances of winning vs another Rogue if you are Sapped first.
Warning! Giant wall of text below! Not for the faint-hearted!
You do not have to read the Talents, Stunlock, and Diminishing Returns sections; they are just background information in case you are a beginner.
TalentsAs this guide is for ShS Hemo, these talents are vital:
3+/5 Master of Deception
3+/5 Camouflage
1+/2 Dirty Tricks
3/3 Initiative
3/3 Serrated Blades -> 1/1 Hemorrhage
1/1 Preparation -> 1/1 Premeditation
2/2 Dirty Deeds
0/3 Cheat Death (DOES NOT WORK, DO NOT WASTE THE POINTS, even though it looks good)
4+/5 Deadliness
1/1 Shadowstep
1/1 Relentless Strikes (Assassination tree)
Vanish, the skill, is bugged. The first 10 seconds work perfectly, but after that, you are completely visible and cannot use any stealth-only abilities. Always, always try to get around this; open up before the 10 seconds are up.
StunlockCheap Shot-4 seconds OR Garrote for casters-3 seconds
Hemorrhage x2 (one more if you used CS and timed your energy ticks precisely)
Kidney Shot when CS is done-6 seconds (Relentless Strikes gives you +50 energy, leaving you with 25 more than when you used KS)
Hemorrhage x3 (if you did two in the CS)
Blind when KS is done-10 seconds
Restealth after 6 seconds of Blind if you don't want to abuse stealth
Sap when Blind is done-lasts as long as it takes for energy to refill
Wait for energy to fill
Repeat the steps from Cheap Shot to Blind, but of course you can't Blind again. You've more than likely killed them by now, if you played correctly.
Whenever they trinket, you can always move to the next step immediately, unless they trinket Blind immediately and you don't want to abuse stealth (out of combat is 6 seconds). From then, you can Vanish and reopen quickly, but it is up to you. Remember to always stay in control.
Time your stuns correctly! Have at most less than a third of a second of space between your CCs, but don't overlap them by more than half a second.
Get the addon OmniCC to help time stuns. Search it up on Google; it is a very efficient tool for any class.
Diminishing ReturnsI know this is pretty basic, but a surprisingly large number of Rogues have no idea what this is.
from the wowwiki.com article:
"
* When a spell with diminishing returns is used against a target in PvP, the first effect has full duration.
* On the second use of the same category of spell (e.g. slowing), that spell's duration is reduced by 50%.
* On the third use, the duration is reduced by 75%.
* On the fourth attempt, the target becomes immune to the spell.
* Spells must be used on the same target within 15 seconds of the *end* of the duration in order to be diminished. In other words, if a target hasn't had a slowing spell active on them for more than 15 seconds, the next slowing spell will have full effect."
This means that you cannot keep on using the same CC on an enemy infinitely. For example, you cannot re-Sap someone for another 10 seconds after the first is about to end. The second cast will last 5 seconds, the next 2.5, and the next 0, if Sap is used repeatedly within
15 seconds.
On all private servers, diminishing returns are quite buggy. They usually work, but the details can get funky, and occasionally someone can get diminishing returns stuck on them until they relog, which basically means they are immune to stuns.
Priests:
Shadow - [x][ ][ ], anything not Deadly/M
Absolutely the easiest match-up for a Rogue. Stunlock them and you will win easily.
If for any reason they are out of your lock, say they trinket Blind immediately, remember to Kick any heal they cast for a 5 second Holy silence. If they are attempting to heal, they are usually around 3k HP, which means before the silence ends you can finish them.
Little known (but extremely useful) trick vs. Priests! Since the PvP set bonus for Priests does not work (-2 seconds on Weakened Soul, iirc), the earliest they can reapply their Power Word: Shield is after 15 seconds out of 30 have passed. So, what do you do? Exactly when their Weakened Soul debuff fades, after 15 seconds of their casting PW:S, use Sap. Some Priests play smart and recast their shield as often as possible, but in my experience those are 1/10. When your Sap is about to end, re-Sap. 10 seconds of Sap + 5 more = 15. Hey, their shield is now gone! Open up immediately. Now you can stunlock them without your first 1.5k damage being absorbed.
Rogues:
Assassination - [x][x][ ],
Combat - [x] [ ] [ ],
Subtlety - [x] [x] [ ],
C/anything not Deadly
Rogue vs. Rogue is a battle of first Sap, and a little luck. Assuming both Rogues have mastered the basic stunlock, the duel hinges almost utterly on who Saps the other first. To achieve this, you must use a Sap macro. You should know how to create and use a macro, so use this as the body:
#showtooltip
/targetenemy
/use Sap
There are many variants, but this is the shortest one. Spam this while wandering the duel area and once you see another Rogue in stealth and they are in Sap range (10 yds w/ Dirty Tricks), it should Sap them instantly, barring that they have already Sapped you. If you indeed get the first Sap on them, wait for energy and initiate your stunlock. Most Rogues will trinket during Kidney Shot, so Blind them if you can, but usually you will get Gouged. From then they will either Blind and restealth or abuse Gouge -> restealth, then start their stunlock. Trinket their KS, and IMMEDIATELY Gouge. Blind, restealth, and stunlock. They die, you win.
If they trinket your Blind quickly, the safest course is to let them Blind you, which they'll probably do. They might bandage or eat during the 10 secs of Blind and 10 of Sap, which is very annoying, but still trinket their KS and get them back into your stunlock.
In the case that you are Sapped first, you are probably screwed. Spam Gouge at all times in case they leave a gap in between their stuns so you don't have to blow your trinket. There are only two opportunities to get the match under your control, and they both require precise timing and reflexes (impossible with lag). I have already outlined what the actions of a Rogue Sapped first should be, which are to trinket KS, Gouge, and start stunlocking. For this Rogue, the first of the crucial points is right after you trinket + Gouge. Some Rogues will recklessly trinket your Gouge and attempt to Blind you. So, right after you Gouge, almost at the same time as the Gouge, VANISH. If they trinket, you are nowhere to be found and can open up at will on them; their trinket is down and they are stunned, you win. The other trick is pure reaction time. When you start stunlocking, you MUST either KS immediately when they trinket CS, or Blind when they trinket KS. Like I said, it's not easy and you probably won't get it. There's one thing you can do to aid this, which is to turn your back and run away from the enemy after CS, then after KS if they haven't trinketed, so it's harder for them to trinket + Gouge/Blind. If they trinket your Blind, restealth if you want to abuse, otherwise you play fair and lose.
Bleeds! Garrote and Rupture! Handy tools for keeping a Rogue from restealthing and thus stunlocking. Many Rogues don't know how to deal with them, so you might want to Garrote instead of CSing if you feel you are losing control. Rupture is a viable option when KS is about to end, if they are not near death and Blind is down.
Countering bleeds is simple. Make sure floating combat text is on, so you can see the ticks of damage of bleeds. Right after you are hit by bleed damage, Vanish and reopen quickly. If you are a Dwarf, Stoneform =).
That's all, although it's quite a lot. Who said playing Rogue is all about Hemo spamming? In order to dominate another class, you must know the enemy class well and how to counter their tricks. Sorry for the wall of text, it's just my habit to write specifically and in-depth. I'd like to emphasize that this guide is only for private servers, where many talents, skills, and mechanics are bugged, most of them giving advantages to Rogues lal. Don't get the idea that I think I'm a pro rogue, I know it's not true.
Yes, I was bored, no school tomorrow and it's sort of late at night. It only took me 40 minutes though, so no comments
. I don't care if anyone bothers to read this, this was just a way for me to interest myself for a while.
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Subject: Dueling as a Rogue 
