Does hemo REQUIRE more skill than mutilate if skilled better

1. I AM AGENT101 I have made the previous topic about ambush/backstab rogues..
2. I have been asking quite a bit about rogues now because I plan to be one.
3. I want this to be like the other thread, state your opinion then let us argue it out, I really liked how that wasn't a flame war
4. THIS IS PRIVATE SERVER TALK NOT RETAIL



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Starting out the topic...


Hemo isn't really spamming hemo if done correctly, their are many ways to exceed the dps of mutilate, maybe not the burst, but in all honesty
DPS>BURST

Hard to explain how you put it, but burst does NOT equal dps... One of the examples I could say is... Why are their more affliction locks then Soulfire? All the Affliction spells are DoTs... but soulfire is one burst right?

If you stack haste you can get a good 4 second soulfire critting 16k hitting around 6k... yet in those 4 seconds DoTs could be doing well over 10k... making a more stable DPS

Well thats how I see it with Muti/Hemo.....

Hemorhage really depends on slice and dice, maybe if you have blade fury that would be really good.....

Not to mention stuns help a shit load to get that shit off, although You do not need to depend on stuns.

I remember I could garrote and rupture then use hemo for slice and dice and then stack combo points for kidney shot.... I did not need them to stay still 100% of the time...'

regardless, I am getting bored of typing lets hear what you have to say

You don't sound like a good player, more of a FOTMer since you can't even get the specs right.

I assume your talking about PvP since its a PvP server. You must not understand Wotlk PvP if your looking to get any sustained damage in PvP. Currently Wotlk PvP is all about BURST. And that is why 41/5/25 is still the best rogue PvP spec.

And when you talk about Aff PvP, tell me how many warlocks of any spec are anywhere near the top.

RNG > skill, burst, or dps

fuck emo and muti
Go feral for burst dps

Whitestag wrote:

fuck emo and muti
Go feral for burst dps

when rend and tear works and FB does proper damage I cant wait to see how many threads pop up saying "Whitestag pwnd the shit out me!"

Edit: @ OP read this for your answer http://www.vcnserver.net/general-f39/why-hemo-spam-ambush-backstab-t37003-90.htm#547317

Locust wrote:

Whitestag wrote:

fuck emo and muti
Go feral for burst dps

when rend and tear works and FB does proper damage I cant wait to see how many threads pop up saying "Whitestag pwnd the shit out me!"

Edit: @ OP read this for your answer http://www.vcnserver.net/general-f39/why-hemo-spam-ambush-backstab-t37003-90.htm#547317

About as many as we see now? Oh wait...

Locust wrote:

Whitestag wrote:

fuck emo and muti
Go feral for burst dps

when rend and tear works and FB does proper damage I cant wait to see how many threads pop up saying "Whitestag pwnd the shit out me!"

Edit: @ OP read this for your answer http://www.vcnserver.net/general-f39/why-hemo-spam-ambush-backstab-t37003-90.htm#547317

Rend and tear works btw ı love my 8k shreds:D fb is also working fine ı did 10k fb today
Berserk ftw!

Whitestag wrote:

Locust wrote:

Whitestag wrote:

fuck emo and muti
Go feral for burst dps

when rend and tear works and FB does proper damage I cant wait to see how many threads pop up saying "Whitestag pwnd the shit out me!"

Edit: @ OP read this for your answer http://www.vcnserver.net/general-f39/why-hemo-spam-ambush-backstab-t37003-90.htm#547317

Rend and tear works btw ı love my 8k shreds:D fb is also working fine ı did 10k fb today
Berserk ftw!

Pre wipe I had a druid that had 51% crit and I put up a bleed and my FB didnt crit 100% of the time

Sub is always good for cc ı prefer it for arenas
Muti is like wtf burst dmg otherwise it sux

Whitestag wrote:

Sub is always good for cc ı prefer it for arenas
Muti is like wtf burst dmg otherwise it sux

What extra CC are you referring too? 41/5/25 gets everything that improves CC.

IF YOU GET HEMO FREE...
GO COMBAT

Illussionary wrote:

Whitestag wrote:

Sub is always good for cc ı prefer it for arenas
Muti is like wtf burst dmg otherwise it sux

What extra CC are you referring too? 41/5/25 gets everything that improves CC.

Shadowdance better silence with garrogate+cs+sap

@whitestag this is kinda OT but does king of teh jungle work?

Locust wrote:

@whitestag this is kinda OT but does king of teh jungle work?

It works fucking fine saved my ass hundreds of time

Illussionary wrote:

You don't sound like a good player, more of a FOTMer since you can't even get the specs right.

I assume your talking about PvP since its a PvP server. You must not understand Wotlk PvP if your looking to get any sustained damage in PvP. Currently Wotlk PvP is all about BURST. And that is why 41/5/25 is still the best rogue PvP spec.

And when you talk about Aff PvP, tell me how many warlocks of any spec are anywhere near the top.

Prove that one spec is better than another?

I am pretty sure I could rape a mutilate rogue anyday right?

that is truly false, I have been playing since pre-bc BETAS, Burst is no skill whatsoever not every class bursts, priests burst quite poorly, Protection burst quite poorly, BURSTING IS NOT FUN and those who say "bursting is best" usually don't know how to play any other spec

Why do you think so many people are ret pallys? Mutilate rogues? Arcane Mage? Fury Warriors? Because they require skill? Or because the require the LEAST skill the easiest classes and specs to play are the most overplayed... Why do you think everyone calls paladins NOOBS? because they are PRO? Because they require skill? Or simply because everyone can play them?

BURST TAKES NO SKILL WHATSOEVER it's just a spec for idiots. That is what FACEROLLING is, being able to spam a few abilities and kill someone, unlike Muti, hemo is more than just spamming hemorhage.

Mutilate itsself has that built-in extra crit, making resil barely effect your crit chance with it at all (as compared to your crit %)

Hemo is certainly viable in PvP, but primarily for the fight control that the spec brings, and that it does not rely on crits to generate combo points. It is lower DPS, and is definitely not recommended for 2v2 with a healer.

For summary, hemo for fight control when running battlegrounds, world PvP, double DPS 2v2, 3v3/5v5 really depends on the team makeup. Mutilate is much more viable when it comes to having the burst required to take down opponents when you're the major DPS component of your team.

mechanized101 wrote:

Illussionary wrote:

You don't sound like a good player, more of a FOTMer since you can't even get the specs right.

I assume your talking about PvP since its a PvP server. You must not understand Wotlk PvP if your looking to get any sustained damage in PvP. Currently Wotlk PvP is all about BURST. And that is why 41/5/25 is still the best rogue PvP spec.

And when you talk about Aff PvP, tell me how many warlocks of any spec are anywhere near the top.

Prove that one spec is better than another?

I am pretty sure I could rape a mutilate rogue anyday right?

that is truly false, I have been playing since pre-bc BETAS, Burst is no skill whatsoever not every class bursts, priests burst quite poorly, Protection burst quite poorly, BURSTING IS NOT FUN and those who say "bursting is best" usually don't know how to play any other spec

Why do you think so many people are ret pallys? Mutilate rogues? Arcane Mage? Fury Warriors? Because they require skill? Or because the require the LEAST skill the easiest classes and specs to play are the most overplayed... Why do you think everyone calls paladins NOOBS? because they are PRO? Because they require skill? Or simply because everyone can play them?

BURST TAKES NO SKILL WHATSOEVER it's just a spec for idiots. That is what FACEROLLING is, being able to spam a few abilities and kill someone, unlike Muti, hemo is more than just spamming hemorhage.

First of all, your an idiot.

Nobody plays Fury in PvP. Most paladins don't even no how to play and are still very easily killable. Look how many Ret paladins are top in Arena? You can't even find 10. Most are holy.

Also, why are you trying to justify the skill you wish you had. Saying Hemo is more than just spamming abilities, when in actuality it is. Why did you make this post if you already had your mind made up about which spec?

yes hemo take more skill being good, but at highrated its nearly the same, and you can burst with hemo too, justother specs are better for that, but like i said in the other hemo vs muti thread, they all good playable, just you can reach bit more with muti, because of blizz fail menachics.

roll a hunter for the best dps

spoon wrote:

roll a paladin, dk or war for the best dps

fixxed

get donor gear spec 17-0-56 then eat foos ? then the berserk buff in wsg wtf raped

kickinwing666 wrote:

get donor gear spec 17-0-56 then eat foos ? then the berserk buff in wsg wtf raped

read topic pls...and donor + skill o.o 

ryonis wrote:

Mutilate itsself has that built-in extra crit, making resil barely effect your crit chance with it at all (as compared to your crit %)

Hemo is certainly viable in PvP, but primarily for the fight control that the spec brings, and that it does not rely on crits to generate combo points. It is lower DPS, and is definitely not recommended for 2v2 with a healer.

For summary, hemo for fight control when running battlegrounds, world PvP, double DPS 2v2, 3v3/5v5 really depends on the team makeup. Mutilate is much more viable when it comes to having the burst required to take down opponents when you're the major DPS component of your team.

my words exactly. i 'd just like to re-state that hemo takes no skill nowadays, and is probably the easiest spec to play. mutilate has gradually become easier, and backstab (shadowdance) is the toughest atm ( i m not even talking about combat cause it's grealy stupid and ridiculous imo ).

i 've played prep muti for a long time since the start of wotlk, but being playing shadowdance backstab (while knowing how to play my class because i 've been a rogue since wow's launch) i found that it features both a great amount of burst damage and a massive amount of dps that also combines extreme CC which is a top priority in 2's 3's and duels / general pvp.

so bottom line is : (atm)

if you 're new to rogue go prep muti. good spec, bursts alot of damage and has a good dps rate.

if you 're familiar with all rogue tricks ( that means you 've played some time .. if you know what i mean - and that you 've watched dozens of videos of pros and tried out everything that pop's up as a trick after every patch ) then you should go shadowdance backstab and rape asses.

well, that was my bit of it, cheers!

Lupus wrote:

ryonis wrote:

Mutilate itsself has that built-in extra crit, making resil barely effect your crit chance with it at all (as compared to your crit %)

Hemo is certainly viable in PvP, but primarily for the fight control that the spec brings, and that it does not rely on crits to generate combo points. It is lower DPS, and is definitely not recommended for 2v2 with a healer.

For summary, hemo for fight control when running battlegrounds, world PvP, double DPS 2v2, 3v3/5v5 really depends on the team makeup. Mutilate is much more viable when it comes to having the burst required to take down opponents when you're the major DPS component of your team.

my words exactly. i 'd just like to re-state that hemo takes no skill nowadays, and is probably the easiest spec to play. mutilate has gradually become easier, and backstab (shadowdance) is the toughest atm ( i m not even talking about combat cause it's grealy stupid and ridiculous imo ).

i 've played prep muti for a long time since the start of wotlk, but being playing shadowdance backstab (while knowing how to play my class because i 've been a rogue since wow's launch) i found that it features both a great amount of burst damage and a massive amount of dps that also combines extreme CC which is a top priority in 2's 3's and duels / general pvp.

so bottom line is : (atm)

if you 're new to rogue go prep muti. good spec, bursts alot of damage and has a good dps rate.

if you 're familiar with all rogue tricks ( that means you 've played some time .. if you know what i mean - and that you 've watched dozens of videos of pros and tried out everything that pop's up as a trick after every patch ) then you should go shadowdance backstab and rape asses.

well, that was my bit of it, cheers!

thats what im talkin bout