Why hemo spam > ambush/backstab

Resiliance nuff said Backstab is not as good anymore, isn't as efficient.

Though how is mutilate?

Wouldn't hemo spam be better consistant DPS?

Hemo spam does not require crits to pwn, although even if it does crit it does that lil extra damage.


Although, mutilate, since Resiliance has came, whats going on with it? Why is it so much better?

I understand it has that slight burst, but didn't blizzard say burst wasn't a problem in WOTLK?

Wouldn't resiliance fuck up the crit dependency?

because Mut spec has more burst to it and will take you down quicker.
eh dont know how to explain but just roll with it, hemo is senseless.

Shadowflow wrote:

because Mut spec has more burst to it and will take you down quicker.

Didin't blizzard say that BURST WASN'T A PROBLEM in pvp?

Also, wouldn't resiliance fuck up the burst dependancy?

i dont know what u mean by that burst is burst itll always be a problem my rogue on retail took down warriors so quick with the burst..before overkill got nerfed. so that nerf meant burst was a problem.

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

Shtick wrote:

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

What makes mutilate better than ambush backstab spec?

Arcanice wrote:

Shtick wrote:

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

What makes mutilate better than ambush backstab spec?

really your going to chase down a mage trying to backstab him? ambush "SPEC" is only to kill steal and shit. whos gona ambush someone with 800 resilience for like a 3k crit.

Shadowflow wrote:

Arcanice wrote:

Shtick wrote:

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

What makes mutilate better than ambush backstab spec?

really your going to chase down a mage trying to backstab him? ambush "SPEC" is only to kill steal and shit. whos gona ambush someone with 800 resilience for like a 3k crit.

I crit 5k

Are you really going to chase down a mage and try to mutilate him?

Earz wrote:

Arcanice wrote:

Shadowflow wrote:

Arcanice wrote:

Shtick wrote:

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

What makes mutilate better than ambush backstab spec?

really your going to chase down a mage trying to backstab him? ambush "SPEC" is only to kill steal and shit. whos gona ambush someone with 800 resilience for like a 3k crit.

I crit 5k

Are you really going to chase down a mage and try to mutilate him?

Better than "YOU MUST BE BEHIND YOUR TARGET!"

You actually have to use sprint to have a chance to catch up to him

/shadowstep

already behind the target

muti = burst, but less skill backstab/lolbush= ok burst , but low constant dmg   hemo=nice constant dmg and burst if you know how, if youre new to rogues just play muti lolbush pve gear.

muti lolbush ftw, takes out 9/10 fearnooblocks! (atleast before the 'fixes')

I ain't new, I was playing since pre-bc, have a lvl 70 rogue though shared it with my bro..

I just helped level it quite a bit

your 3k backstabs mut can do that double, and "ambush/backstab" spec is not involved with stuns so your target will be flying around.

now that players have 71 talent points, rogues can obtain prep and mutilate
mutilate has high damage, and with the spec you can get cold blood, prep, and cold blood again for direct control over burst
imo any good hemo would be a harp because if you go shdance hemo you get cs and garrote, which is not controlled burst

bertneyl0l wrote:

now that players have 71 talent points, rogues can obtain prep and mutilate
mutilate has high damage, and with the spec you can get cold blood, prep, and cold blood again for direct control over burst
imo any good hemo would be a harp because if you go shdance hemo you get cs and garrote, which is not controlled burst

But it is, Hemorhage is like what a 30 energy cost because imp talent?

you can get 3 of those in, mutilate is 60 I believe and you can get one in..


Also to mention, you don't need the crits to control hemo dps...

Hemo is a very stable spec

yes but pvp isnt about stable dps its about burst dps

Hemo spec is all about stunlocks ,spamming hemo without stuns youll just be an annoying fly without the stuns.

bertneyl0l wrote:

yes but pvp isnt about stable dps its about burst dps

I beg to differ.

Examples --> Retribution paladins, it's very stable, sure it has some burst within it, but auto attack then crusader and divine storm, used correctly, you have very stable dps...

Arcane Mage - Practicly spamming arcane barrage and slow, maybe a frost nova and ice lance, VERY VERY stable... It could be used as a burst sure.

Warrior --- Also very stable. No matter what spec.. Fury is practicly 4 spells, auto attack whirlwind, and Bloodlust. Used correctly, it could be a very stable dps.... Not many warriors burst, yet they are very good.

Same with HOLY pallys, they use holy shock, as a small burst... :O overall stable.


Main only 2 who bursts are shammys and muti rogues...

If you want you can say all specs burst no matter what.. you name I can tell you how....

Hemo actually could burst, Premeditate cheap shot hemo eviscerate :O

buddy hemo a burst no.....youll be the lowest dps on your grp all your doing is spamming hemo thats not a burst.

so again

Muti/Prep:

+Hight Burst, (Muti,Cb), good talents like Quick Recovery, nice constant dmg
-Easy Kitable, dont take much skill to play good (only for perfect it take skill)

Potential: 8/10

ShD/Dagger:

+Very hight Burst, reopener with ShD, nice mobility (ShS)
-low constant dmg, no Quick Recovery, take much timing and skill vs good enemys (not real - for meh, but for some)

Potential: 7/10


ShS/Cb

+ Best mobility possible, because of Shs and Fleet Footed, good constant dmg with hemo spam. (would evis work, good burst possible with evis+cb, atm only 5k), Quick Recovery

-hard to burst with it, but possible with skeelz, take skill for cap (only - for some ppl ^^)

Potential: 7/10

lolcombat dont work so gg.

EDIT: so every spec got highlights, all are good playable, some need more skills some lesser, but kinda equal and hight level. (= pvp with good people) so play what your want/have more fun .

Shadowflow wrote:

buddy hemo a burst no.....youll be the lowest dps on your grp all your doing is spamming hemo thats not a burst.

dps? group? we talk about arena and you can burst with hemo, just take timing and skill. (=more then cb >muti)

ss > hemo, muti, amsbush

hemo is not a burst, burst is damage the only think you can do after spamming hemo is evis after you spam 3-5 hemos?