Why hemo spam > ambush/backstab

the only ultimative spec is allspec -_- ,

anyway i am off, enjoyed the thread, good night....*vanish*

Hemo is so 2.4.3, get with the program. Spam Muti.

srsbird wrote:

carlito1 wrote:

Shtick wrote:

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

WTF you smoking? i do 8k mutilates on clothies and 4k mutilate on platies if it ignored armor that wouldn't happen L2 understand the concept of armor penetration and that segregated blades is broken on all PS

seems like youre pve geared and play vs pve geared....shit its hard not to flame ^^

i don't understand u ur grammar 2 bad. yes i wear T7 gear as rogue why? cuz if you play a rogue right survivability is not needed CoS, evasion and Vanish is all the survivanilty u need. 5.7k AP FTW >.>

mi spec: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue=00500000000000000000000000000053031050501305221003000005320202103301120200000000000&glyph=141312060502&version=9551 nuff said(don't need muti since every rogue has it lol?

carlito1 wrote:

srsbird wrote:

carlito1 wrote:

Shtick wrote:

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

WTF you smoking? i do 8k mutilates on clothies and 4k mutilate on platies if it ignored armor that wouldn't happen L2 understand the concept of armor penetration and that segregated blades is broken on all PS

seems like youre pve geared and play vs pve geared....shit its hard not to flame ^^

i don't understand u ur grammar 2 bad. yes i wear T7 gear as rogue why? cuz if you play a rogue right survivability is not needed CoS, evasion and Vanish is all the survivanilty u need. 5.7k AP FTW >.>

mi spec: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue=00500000000000000000000000000053031050501305221003000005320202103301120200000000000&glyph=141312060502&version=9551 nuff said(don't need muti since every rogue has it lol?

His grammar is too bad?
Fuckin' ironic.

srsbird wrote:

anyway i am off, enjoyed the thread, good night....*vanish*

according to this VANISH FAILED <-link

srsbird wrote:

carlito1 wrote:

Shtick wrote:

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

WTF
you smoking? i do 8k mutilates on clothies and 4k mutilate on platies
if it ignored armor that wouldn't happen L2 understand the concept of
armor penetration and that segregated blades is broken on all
PS

seems like youre pve geared and play vs pve geared....shit
its hard not to flame ^^

1v1 pve is better because fights are
short. In 2v2 alot of players played w/ ~200resil in S5. In 3v3 and 5v5
pvp gear is a must because you will get focused.

For a rogue pvp gear
isnt as essential as other classes. After all a rogue is only as good as his cooldowns. If a rogues cooldowns are gone (ie when a rogue blows prep and his 2nd
set) the rogue is pretty much boned. Resil becomes more and more important when a rogue outlasts his cooldowns. Generally rogues want to end a fight before their cooldowns run out.

srsbird wrote:

Shadowflow wrote:

hemo is not a burst burst is damage the only think you can do after spamming hemo is evis after you spam 3-5 hemos?

hm how much muti crit as pvp vs pvp? about 5k max. hemo crit about 2.5k-3k , muti cost 60 energy, hemo cost 35/30 , so 2 hemos are allready better then muti, just muti got highter crit chance, 2x hemo = gcd, and they must both crit, but it shows that muti isnt muuuch better then hemo, just with spam. but real hemoburst works great with slice n dice, 40% more speed >40%more dmg....just the poing that full hemoburst need more time XD , but if slice n dice is on, hemo>muti, so all in one, muti burst is only better to time, because its nearly allways possible. EDIT: hemo DPS is much better then muti.

GOD DAMNIT U CAN GET 2 MUTS in pve gear with glyphs.....

Merciles wrote:

srsbird wrote:

Shadowflow wrote:

hemo is not a burst burst is damage the only think you can do after spamming hemo is evis after you spam 3-5 hemos?

hm how much muti crit as pvp vs pvp? about 5k max. hemo crit about 2.5k-3k , muti cost 60 energy, hemo cost 35/30 , so 2 hemos are allready better then muti, just muti got highter crit chance, 2x hemo = gcd, and they must both crit, but it shows that muti isnt muuuch better then hemo, just with spam. but real hemoburst works great with slice n dice, 40% more speed >40%more dmg....just the poing that full hemoburst need more time XD , but if slice n dice is on, hemo>muti, so all in one, muti burst is only better to time, because its nearly allways possible. EDIT: hemo DPS is much better then muti.

GOD DAMNIT U CAN GET 2 MUTS in pve gear with glyphs.....

With a working over kill you could do alot more than that >:3

not to mention eviscerate only does like 2k dmg on here....

Yeah that is gay IMO

FREE HEMO?
LETS GO COMBAT

Mistah Jefferson wrote:

FREE HEMO?
LETS GO COMBAT

explain.

lol ambush/backstab > hemo/mutilate.

why ?

because :

1. backstab takes skill.
2. doing 3 14k ambushes in a row with shadowdance, master of the sub, and shadowstep rapes people and leaves them think - omgwtfigotmfpwnt wait wut ?! ( non donor - and not mad about ap since i m in s5 and got 4250 ap unbuffed )

ps : yes ofc i was buffed for the 14k ambush's.

and that's preciselly why unmercey/prettysneaky/mahiko 're the best, and akrios/buddhist have taken the downfall.

epicfail1 wrote:

Mistah Jefferson wrote:

FREE HEMO?
LETS GO COMBAT

explain.

you can get hemo and mut from custom trainer

Shadowflow wrote:

because Mut spec has more burst to it and will take you down quicker.
eh dont know how to explain but just roll with it, hemo is senseless.

Not true, I kill people with hemo and fist weapons, and it does much better constant damage. Burst is useless on anything but leather and below.

Rumia wrote:

Shadowflow wrote:

because Mut spec has more burst to it and will take you down quicker.
eh dont know how to explain but just roll with it, hemo is senseless.

Not true, I kill people with hemo and fist weapons, and it does much better constant damage. Burst is useless on anything but leather and below.

False, black bears.

Lupus wrote:

lol ambush/backstab > hemo/mutilate.

why ?

because :

1. backstab takes skill.
2. doing 3 14k ambushes in a row with shadowdance, master of the sub, and shadowstep rapes people and leaves them think - omgwtfigotmfpwnt wait wut ?! ( non donor - and not mad about ap since i m in s5 and got 4250 ap unbuffed )

ps : yes ofc i was buffed for the 14k ambush's.

and that's preciselly why unmercey/prettysneaky/mahiko 're the best, and akrios/buddhist have taken the downfall.

You don't need shadow dance to own as hemo...

Rumia wrote:

Shadowflow wrote:

because Mut spec has more burst to it and will take you down quicker.
eh dont know how to explain but just roll with it, hemo is senseless.

Not true, I kill people with hemo and fist weapons, and it does much better constant damage. Burst Melee is useless subpar on anything but leather and below plate.

I've been a healbot since S1 and a rogue since pre-bc on retail and I can tell you right now that you clearly do not understand rogue mechanics(math) nor do you understand RNG.

First mutilate does pretty much the most damage per energy in the game (Backstab comming in at #2) and it gives you 2 CP and 3 if you crit. Also mutilate gives the most CP per energy

Second as a healer taking 'conistent' damage is SOOOOO easy to heal through. You can pretty much top yourself off every couple seconds. Dont even get me started how easy it is as a resto druid.

Third most of my loses in arena were to burst damage and hardly ever to some hemo spamming faggot. Remember in 3s restosham/swordspecwar/SLSL or even restosham/swordspecwar/retpally? Or restosham/macewar in 2s? They reason those comps were so successful is because they had stupidly OP burst w/ MS+Swordspec+WFtotem

Lastly RNG wins more matches than consistency. Know why macespec got chaged/nerfed? Its because it was a retarded RNG stun. Since it happened so randomly you might be at 4k hp about to cast a NS HT only to get RNG mace stunned by an autoattack then executed. I have litterally been mace stunned while I have had the NS buff only to be killed before I get a chance to cast HT. RNG = crits, WF procs, SoComm procs, and random stuns. And those are just the passive offensive rng aspects.

Mistah Jefferson wrote:

carlito1 wrote:

srsbird wrote:

carlito1 wrote:

Shtick wrote:

Mutilate ignores armor.

Nuff said.

WTF you smoking? i do 8k mutilates on clothies and 4k mutilate on platies if it ignored armor that wouldn't happen L2 understand the concept of armor penetration and that segregated blades is broken on all PS

seems like youre pve geared and play vs pve geared....shit its hard not to flame ^^

i don't understand u ur grammar 2 bad. yes i wear T7 gear as rogue why? cuz if you play a rogue right survivability is not needed CoS, evasion and Vanish is all the survivanilty u need. 5.7k AP FTW >.>

mi spec: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue=00500000000000000000000000000053031050501305221003000005320202103301120200000000000&glyph=141312060502&version=9551 nuff said(don't need muti since every rogue has it lol?

His grammar is too bad?
Fuckin' ironic.

shhh was speaking is his native tongue

Double post pwnage also best arena team currently: RPM . no not Rovolutions per minuate. Rogue,Priest, Mage its rape.

Also i agree with locust rogues don't require no fucking survivability so S5 gear is not needed if your a good rogue you can kill any class before the retaliate(except palys u lose xD). Also hemo spamming with fist weapon fails as locust was trying to say Constant damage vs burst damage on a healer obviously Burst will win . don't velive me? experiment make a lock put don'ts on a priest and see who wins.

Basically hemo is failure. BTW i can pull 3 Muti before im out of energy thats y i only use 2 in a row at the most so i can save my rest of energy for a quick stun.(i once stun lock this paly so hardcore i used KS twice without restealthing. Gouge/KS spamming bitchs

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Mutilate itsself has that built-in extra crit, making resil barely effect your crit chance with it at all (as compared to your crit %)

Hemo is certainly viable in PvP, but primarily for the fight control that the spec brings, and that it does not rely on crits to generate combo points. It is lower DPS, and is definitely not recommended for 2v2 with a healer.

For summary, hemo for fight control when running battlegrounds, world PvP, double DPS 2v2, 3v3/5v5 really depends on the team makeup. Mutilate is much more viable when it comes to having the burst required to take down opponents when you're the major DPS component of your team.

first at the rogue dont need resil guy, how much does evis help when youre stuned and wars,palas, mages, locks, dks, shamys and ferals just 1-2shot you as pve rogue. +if you play vs decent enemys, youre allways in focus. so only places when pve > pvp gear are bgs because people can concentrate on other targets there, in arena they allways on your ass.(but its about your combor too, so if you play ret/rogue go for max ap/crit...but in most cases you need 600-800 resil.

second: lockdots will pwn priest even if they werent buggy. some people just dont get that arena, even if its gimped with wotlk is not just burst or die.

third: before you flame grammar...better watch that yours is better.

fourth: the muti>hemo or hemo>muti discsuss makes not much sense, like i said it so often-.-.......both specs are good playable and got their highlights. ah btw...more then 7k ambushes with all procs vs pvp geared players are impossible. (atm)